This story is a collaboration between NC Health News, The Assembly, and the Charlotte Ledger.
For 90 years, Blue Cross NC has been a constant in the state: the largest health insurance provider across all 100 counties, a ubiquitous advertising and philanthropy presence, and one of the most influential political actors in the state.
Now, after a high-profile contract loss this winter, the nonprofit health insurance carrier is asking lawmakers for a serious and potentially far-reaching change to state regulations so that it can behave more like national for-profit competitors.
On Monday, North Carolina Insurance Commissioner Mike Causey came out swinging against the bill, taking a fight that has been brewing inside the General Assembly this spring to the broader public.
โI think that this legislation is missing many provisions that’s necessary to protect the people, the policyholders,โ Causey said. โ[It] does not provide for a meaningful review of reorganization.โ
Ahead of Causeyโs remarks, the screen behind him had displayed a slide that proclaimed in large letters: โThis bill is about corporate greed.โ
Proponents argue it would level the playing field, but skeptics say a lack of transparency could bring serious uncertainty for the more than 4 million North Carolinians whose insurance cards bear the name โBlue Cross Blue Shield of North Carolina.โ
โUnder today’s corporate structure, they can’t move fast and in the world of business, you have to be able to move fast when it comes to opportunities,โ Rep. John Bradford, a Republican from Cornelius and lead sponsor of a bill to make the changes, told the House Health Committee in late March. He argued that the increased regulatory hoops the company has to jump through as a nonprofit slows it down.
Executives, lobbyists, and spokespeople for the insurer, which has $7.7 billion in assets (including $4.5 billion in reserves), maintain that for the most part, nothing would change for consumers. They emphasize that the move would allow the company to be more โnimble,โ โflexible,โ and โcompetitive.โ The company is undertaking a full-court press at the legislature, with 14 lobbyists working to make the case for House Bill 346.
“I think that this legislation is missing many provisions that’s necessary to protect the people, the policyholders.”
North Carolina Insurance Commissioner Mike Causey
Blue Cross NCโs ties to the state are widespread and prominent. Many journalism organizations receive advertising dollars from the company, including The Assembly. NC Health News has been a grantee of the Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Carolina Foundation since 2020.
Introduced in mid-March, the bill would allow the company to create a nonprofit parent holding company for Blue Cross NC and any other for-profit subsidiaries. That holding companyโessentially a shell company with the same executive team as the insurance entityโcould take money built up by the companyโs insurance business and โuse that money, basically, however, they want to use it,โ said Jackie Obusek, the chief deputy commissioner of the state Department of Insurance.
โEven with simple corporate transactions, the devilโs in the details,โ Causey said during his press conference. โWith this bill, the devilโs in the lack of details.โ
He also expressed his belief that if the bill were to pass, it would raise premiums for North Carolina policyholders.
Blue Cross NC says theyโll use the money to purchase companies that can improve the services they offer policyholders. But such purchases would come with almost none of the regulatory oversight the company currently receives from the state Department of Insurance. And Blue Cross NC has been vague about the companies that it would buy.
The House bill has 56 sponsors, out of a total of 120 members. Thirty-six state senators out of 50 have sponsored an identical bill filed in that chamber. The House bill is scheduled to be discussed in the House Health Committee, where lawmakers will get a look at a bill thatโs been heavily marked up since it was first introduced in late March.
Health care advocates, some key legislators and Causey remain skeptical, even of the amended bill. In interviews, lawmakers, health economists, and attorneys all questioned Blue Cross NCโs stated intentions. They stressed their belief that restructuring would bring harm and not benefit the taxpayers and premium payers who funded the company for decades. House Health co-chair Rep. Donna White, a Republican from Johnston County, spoke after Causey at his press conference and said her phone has โabsolutely burned upโ with people contacting her to oppose the bill.
Another skeptic is Rep. Donny Lambeth, a Republican from Winston-Salem, co-chair of the House Health Committee, and a retired hospital president.
โโLook, guys, you’re big. You’ve done a lot of good things in North Carolina, but people are concerned with your size and what you’re up to,โโ Lambeth said he told the companyโs lobbyists. โYou’ve got to be able to answer what is it that you’re up to. Because people don’t trust Blue Cross. I’m just laying it out flat.โ
Largest Share
A group of physicians created Blue Cross NC as a nonprofit in the 1930s, allowing it to build up assets tax-free until the mid-1980s, when a change in federal law meant that the company had to start paying corporate taxes.
As a nonprofit, Blue Cross NC has to answer to the needs and priorities of premium payers, rather than stockholders or Wall Street.
There are โBluesโ in every state, all of which started decades ago as nonprofits. But many have since made the switch to for-profit, allowing them more varied access to capital markets and the leeway to make more risky investments. There are fewer restrictions on their activity.
Rep. Donny Lambeth, co-chair of the House Health Committee
“Look, guys, you’re big. You’ve done a lot of good things in North Carolina, but people are concerned with your size and what you’re up to.”
Nonprofits are expected to invest money in ways that have a clear benefit for their members, and in North Carolina, lawmakers have placed additional limitations into statute. For example, Blue Cross NC is not allowed to spend more than 10 percent of its reserves at any given time.
Blue Cross NC has argued this slows them down in a fast-paced business environment; Obusek countered that the company has โbeen able to do most of what they’ve wanted to do, we haven’t stood in their way.โ
Within the current regulatory framework, Blue Cross NC has certainly thrived. It has the largest market share of any insurer in the state, and as Commissioner Causey told Lambethโs committee in March, the company covers around 83 percent of the individual market and nearly 80 percent of the group health insurance market.
More than 2.3 million North Carolinians get their insurance directly from Blue Cross NC, and about 2 million more are part of private-employer-sponsored plans that have hired Blue Cross NC to administer them. Half a million Medicaid recipients have Blue Cross NC as the managed care organization administering their benefits, and Blue Cross NC also administers Medicare Advantage and Medicare Supplement plans for many seniors.
But competition is getting stiffer. Blue Cross NC is about to lose a notable chunk of that business after State Treasurer Dale Folwell announced in January that Blue Cross NC will no longer be the administrator of the State Health Plan starting in 2025.
The three-year contract to administer coverage for the 750,000 state employees and families it covers will instead go to Aetna, one of those big-and-getting-bigger national for-profit insurers with which Blue Cross NC says it must compete.
A Changing Insurance Industry
Before the Affordable Care Act, insurance companies had more ways to make money. They could charge more if someone was older, if they could possibly get pregnant, or if they had a preexisting condition. They could also deny coverage to people with preexisting conditionsโwhich meant theyโd spend less money on expensive medical bills.
The ACA also dictated that insurers must spend at least 80 percent of what they receive from premium holders on patient medical care. This โmedical loss ratioโ left 20 percent of revenue from premiums for things like overhead, patient services, marketing, and executive compensation. For a while, this curbed the profits to be made from their insurance business.
Many insurers readjusted within a few years, and learned how to game the medical loss ratio by arguingโsometimes legitimatelyโthat things like the cost of the 24-hour nurse helplines, some advertising, and other services were part of patient care.
Blue Cross NC lost money in 2014 and 2015, but has been profitable ever since, including during the pandemic. In the past decade, the company accumulated so much reserve cash that it had to pay rebates to policyholders due the ACA cap.
If Blue Cross NC succeeds in getting permission to create a new holding company, it could move excess reserves into it and avoid triggering the ACAโs rebate requirement, Obusek said.

โOne of my biggest concerns is making sure there’s some mechanism to get money back in the hands of policy owners,โ Obusek said. โIf somebody is hugely successful, then some of that somehow should come back and get back to North Carolina policyholders.โ
โThe New Arms Race in Health Careโ
All the changes to federal policy have prompted insurers to find new ways of making money.
Larger national players like Aetna, UnitedHealthcare, and Cignaโall for-profit companiesโhave grown by extending their insurance footprints and by buying up everything in sight, including physician practices, pharmaceutical distributors, home health agencies, and other health care companies. It has also led to megamergers. CVS, the pharmacy company, acquired Aetna, while UnitedHealthcare acquired OptumRx, a pharmacy benefits company.
For UnitedHealthcare, the strategy has paid off in record quarterly profits. Its pharmacy benefits business has consistently had a higher profit margin than its traditional insurance operation.
These purchases have been part of a strategy of โvertical integrationโโbasically, the health care insurer also becomes the health care provider. As a patient, you might get your insurance from Aetna, which then directs you to its parent company CVS to get your medications. If you need home health, you might get directed to another affiliate.
More recently, insurers have also started to acquire provider groups, which effectively eliminates the divide between the payer (an insurance company) and the prescriber (your doctor).
The effect is that more policyholdersโ dollars stay in-house. Itโs happening across the insurance industry, which could have consequences for Blue Cross NCโs business.
โThe traditional payer-provider dynamic is being challenged,โ Blue Cross NC wrote in its 2022 annual report. โAs providers continue to consolidate and integrate physician groups and hospitals, we may experience upward pressure on reimbursement amounts.โ
Itโs an open question whether consolidation, which hospital systems and private equity firms are also driving, is good for patients. Christopher Whaley, a health economist with the RAND Corporation, called the trend the โnew arms race in health care.โ All the players are competing to snap up assets.
He said itโs potentially a good thing for patients because it creates incentives for doctors to coordinate care.
โIf you employ physicians, you control the routes by which patients navigate the health care system, and so physicians and primary care physicians determine referral networks where patients go for specialty care, and how patients access hospitals,โ Whaley explained. โRather than, say, going out and acquiring a really expensive hospital, if youโreโmaybe to use their termโโnimbleโ and go acquire a physician practice, then you can end up with the same results and spend millions instead of billions.โ
Some suspect that is Blue Cross NCโs ultimate plan. But its chief financial officer, Mitch Perry, pushed back on the premise.
โOur approach with providers is very much a collaborative approach,โ he said, detailing investments the company has made in mental health, in creating apps to help people through their pregnancies and in efforts to support the back office capabilities of independent practices. โFor us, it’s more about partnership. It’s more about how we support and work with providers.โ
Skeptics at the legislature have been harder to convince.
โThey’ll never convince me that [Blue Cross NC executives] aren’t somewhere in the back room thinking about โwhere do we go with a changing landscape in health care and where do we position ourselves in the future?โโ Lambeth said. โI think they’ve got to be thinking about what other big health systems, health plans are doing.โ
That skepticism is bipartisan.
โWhile our office understands that Blue Cross Blue Shield operates in a competitive landscape, we continue to be concerned about how this legislation might impact its customers and the publicโs investment in the company,โ wrote Democratic Attorney General Josh Stein in an emailed statement. โWe look forward to continued conversations to find the right balance.โ

Perhaps the most consequential skeptic has been Causey, the insurance commissioner, who told Lambethโs committee that HB 346 โis not a good bill in its current form. And I believe it will hurt the people in North Carolina and that’s my job is to protect the consumers.โ
โNorth Carolina consumers could benefit from more competition, and I think we need more competition,โ Causey said. โBut Blue Cross claims that this reorganization is necessary because it is now limited on how it can invest in other companies, by existing statutes that do not apply to for-profit insurers.โ
He said that Blue Cross NC should not be able to invest with the freedom of a for-profit company, because nonprofit insurers are fundamentally different.
โFor-profit companies make investments using stockholder money,โ he said. As a nonprofit, โany Blue Cross NC money they’re seeking to invest, this is North Carolina policyholder money.โ
Causey has also taken the company to task for using that money to pay six-figure bonuses to executives.
โIf they’re paying million dollar bonuses to executives every year, they pay $6 million to the CEO when we’re looking, what can they do when we’re not looking?โ he said at his press conference this week.
A spokesperson for Causey confirmed the department has been working with the company on a set of changes to the bill that are expected to be introduced in the House during a hearing on Tuesday morning.
Passing this legislation is the top priority for the powerful lobbying operation at Blue Cross NC. The companyโs political action committee made about $277,000 in campaign donations to state candidates in the 2022 cycle, and it has other ways of exerting influence.
For example, the company is behind advocacy campaigns like the Affordable Healthcare Coalition of North Carolina, a purportedly grassroots campaign with a host of Blue Cross NC connections that touts its own political action committee and accompanying public scorecard grading lawmakers based on certain key health policy votes.
Most lawmakers whoโve signed on as co-sponsors received As and Bs. Lambethโwho despite shepherding Medicaid expansion legislation for the last eight yearsโgot an F, which he said made him laugh.

โI’ve not had the best of relations with Blue Cross because they don’t like some of the things that I advocate for,โ Lambeth said.
Blue Cross NC employed 11 lobbyists last year, paying $557,964 to contract lobbyists, on top of their staffers. The 14 they have this session includes former Republican House Speaker Harold Brubaker and his son; Becki Gray, formerly of the John Locke Foundation; and LT McCrimmon, Gov. Roy Cooperโs former legislative liaison. Round a corner in the legislative complex and youโre likely to run into a Blue Cross NC lobbyist engaged in a conversation with a lawmaker.
Converting Taxpayer Benefit
For skeptics, one of the most important questions is how a new structure would make use of the assets Blue Cross NC has accrued over its years as a non-profit.
Peter Kolbe served as lead counsel for the state Department of Insurance in the 1990s, when the legislation that currently regulates the company was written. He explained that legal doctrine requires institutions to โgive the assets you have developed as a result of being a nonprofit, including the tax breaks you had, back.โ
The best example, he said, would be creating a charitable foundation that addresses health care needs within the state. Such a foundation was recently created in western North Carolina when the nonprofit Mission Health system was sold to the for-profit company HCA for $1.5 billion. Mission directed nearly two-thirds of the funds to the creation of the Dogwood Health Trust. A similar nonprofit conversion foundation was formed after Novant purchased New Hanover Regional Hospital in 2020.
Consumer advocates argue that if Blue Cross NC gets what it wants, they should do right by the taxpayers who supported the company for all those years.
Thatโs played out in other states. When Californiaโs Blue Cross became the for-profit Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield in May 1996, it endowed the California Health Care Foundation and the California Endowment with $3.2 billion. Blue Cross insurers in Montana, Michigan, New York, and other states have made similar conversions, though fights have ensued over the size of the eventual endowments.

Blue Cross NC says it’s not interested in converting its insurance entity to a for-profit. And if the bill passes, it likely wouldnโt need to. The reserves from the insurance division could be moved into the holding company, which could then buy subsidiaries and make investments like any other for-profit business.
โThis holding company would not have any regulatory oversight, not by the department, or the insurance commissioner, or anybody else,โ Obusek said. โThereโs no regulatory oversight at present, in the bill as drafted, for that holding company.โ
That frustrates consumer advocates, many of whom watched a very similar fight play out in the late 1990s when Blue Cross NC did want to convert its insurance business from nonprofit to for-profit. At that time, the legislature created a study commission.
Out of that yearlong effort came statutes that would require Blue Cross NC do what has been done in California and other statesโcreate a foundation to serve the needs of the people who paid their premiums for 90 years.
The value of such a foundation, the statute said, would be โequal to 100 percent (100%) of the fair market value of the corporation.โ
Blue Cross NC CFO Perry puts the companyโs โstatutory capitalโ at around $4.7 billion, money that could potentially move to the holding company. But he said he couldnโt quote an estimate of what the fair market value of the company might be.
โItโs something that we don’t track and arenโt looking at,โ he said. โIt hasn’t been meaningful to us and isn’t meaningful to us, because we’re focused on our customers, we’re not focused on what it would be to have shareholders.โ
Needless to say, it would be large, and such a foundation would grant game-changing sums, particularly for rural parts of the state.
The last section of the bill currently under debate would give Blue Cross NC the ability to instead create a foundation from the assets of just the holding companyโthe value of which could be diminished under the new organizational structure.
“It hasn’t been meaningful to us and isn’t meaningful to us, because we’re focused on our customers, we’re not focused on what it would be to have shareholders.”
Mitch Perry, Blue Cross Blue Shield NC’s chief financial officer
Kolbe, who was lead legal counsel for the Department of Insurance in the 1990s when the original study commission was active, said that provision โhas the potential to reduce the assets of the Blue plan such that in any conversion that were to occur, there are fewer assets to place.โ
Kolbe said that one change that could assuage concerns would be amending the language to say the value of any conversion foundation should include the fair market value of the nonprofit holding corporation โand all of its subsidiaries.โ
Who Stands To Gain
For North Carolinians, what matters is simple: Will these changes lead to lower prices and better care?
While Whaley, the health economist, sees the potential for vertical integration to benefit consumers, he also acknowledged that it will give insurers a way to skirt Affordable Care Act restrictions. If you own both the insurer and the provider, you can โpay yourself a lot.โ
โWhether that’s happening or not, we don’t [yet] have good data,โ he said. “But that is a potential concern.โ
Barak Richman, a Duke Law School professor whoโs usually critical of health care consolidation, is holding off on making a judgment.
“If they can use a holding company to buy other thingsโyou know, I can see the concern with that,โ he said. โBut I can also see how, in this particular health care marketplace, we really want an insurer that can play with a full deck.”
Richman said that if given a choice between having hospitals or insurers buy up physician practices, heโd take the insurers. The data are clear that when a hospital buys a physician practice, prices only go one way: up.
But he also said that either of those choices is better than private equity companies getting into the game, as they have started to do.
The best thing, Richman said, is for independent physicians to stay that way, something Blue Cross NC says is their intent.
โSomething that is core to what we’re what we’re trying to do … is helping physicians stay independent,โ Perry said. โThis is what we’re doing with supporting urgent care. It’s what we’re doing with investments in helping independent physicians take risks in different ways.โ
He said that their goal is for providers to feel like they donโt have to seek hospital or private equity acquisition to keep their practices afloat.
Johns Hopkins researcher Ge Bai said that Blue Cross NC, hospitals, other providers, and insurers are simply responding to the incentives baked into a health care system built on third-party payment.
โThis system compels power consolidation on both sides,โ she said. โPayers have to consolidate so they can negotiate a better price and then providers must consolidate to counter, so it’s really a back-and-forth game.โ
Bai has worked with state Treasurer Folwell to look at what state hospitals are charging and the power they have to drive insurance prices as a result.
โThe provider is so powerful,โ Bai said, while insurers โcannot do much.โ What consolidation means for policyholders just isnโt yet clear.
Itโs one of many things thatโs still uncertain, along with the full intent of the legislation, what the company actually wants to do, and why Blue Cross NC has made such an urgent push. Bradford, the billโs lead sponsor, has been an enthusiastic public supporter for Blue Cross NC. Last week, he made his plans official to run for state treasurer, a role that would help determine whether Blue Cross NC regains its role over the state health care plan when it renews.
Blue Cross NCโs strong bipartisan support among legislatorsโevidenced by the ranks of cosponsors in the Senate and Houseโcould lead to swift passage if some compromise is reached.
From the outside, one thing is clear: There are many who want this effort to slow down and be more transparent.
“The legislature has to do more than just listen to Blue Cross lobbyists,” Richman said. “I mean, have there been any hearings? Has there been any studies that have been commissioned? We have, I always like to think, some world-class health care scholars in the state. I don’t think that any of them have been called.”
Rose Hoban is the founder and editor of NC Health News, as well as the site’s state government reporter. She has been a registered nurse since 1992 and later earned degrees in public health policy and journalism.






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